John, give us a behind the scenes at Amplitude. I'm excited to chat with my friend John Cutler from podcast sponsor, Amplitude. That's C-O-D-A.io/lenny to sign up and get $1,000 in credit on your account. Head over to coda.io/lenny to sign up and get $1,000 credit on your first statement. You can take advantage of a special limited time offer just for startups. If you're ping-ponging between lots of documents and spreadsheets, make your life better and start using Coda. Some of the best teams out there like Pinterest, Spotify, Square, and Uber use Coda to run effectively and have published their templates for anyone to use. It's one that also helps bring the best practices across the tech industry to life, with an incredibly rich collection of templates and guides in Coda Doc Gallery, including resources for many guests on this podcast, including Shreyas, Gokul, and Shishir, the CEO of Coda. Over the years, I've seen Coda evolve from being a tool that makes teams more productive. It's also where I curate my private knowledge repository for paid newsletter subscribers, and it's also how I manage the workflow for this very podcast. It's where I plan my content calendar, capture my research, and write the first drafts of each and every post. It's my home base for organizing my newsletter writing. Coda's an all-in-one doc that combines the best documents, spreadsheets, and apps in one place. Jason is a gem and I am really excited to share this episode with you. We also get into a ton of killer advice on leadership, hiring, pushing back on your CEO, working backwards, career advancement, and a lot more juicy stuff. In this episode, we cover what it's like to be a PM in Web3 and how that's changed as crypto winter has returned, how to lead a team through ups and downs, which leaders in Web3 know all too well, including how to keep morale up and people focused when so much is changing around you. He was actually my very first guest on this podcast when I was pre-recording some episodes, but as you'll hear in our chat, we decided to take another crack at it for reasons you'll soon understand. I was lucky to work with Jason while I was at Airbnb, and when I started working on this podcast, I knew that I wanted to have Jason on. I interview world-class product leaders and growth experts to learn from their hard-won experiences building and scaling today's most successful companies. I'm Lenny, and my goal here is to help you get better at the craft of building and growing products. And so, the two things that I've seen be most successful would be, I think number one is actually understanding what a goal is or what somebody's kind of issue is with something, and then actually aligning those things in some way. It's a very negative mindset, purely based on the word that has come to label a behavior that alternatively could be about how do I shift the direction on something, or how do I help the business actually succeed when I disagree with somebody about something, and that's a very different mindset. ![]() It starts from a place of I need to disagree, I need to say no. Pushback is, I couldn't imagine a word more viscerally that makes you feel like you're sort of physically going against what somebody else wants, and it gears people into a mindset of then, well, how should I push back. For inquires about sponsoring the podcast, email full access to Lenny's Newsletter at Transcript (1:03:47) What skill is most important for product managers (52:27) When to follow a new opportunity vs. (38:26) How to influence a CEO or founder’s direction (20:25) A look into Amazon’s process on working backward (18:11) Why Amazon was a great learning experience (15:27) The value of a great product manager (12:44) The evolution of product management in web3 ![]() The Hard Thing About Hard Things: Building a Business When There Are No Easy Answers:.Creative Selection: Inside Apple’s Design Process During the Golden Age of Steve Jobs:.Thank you to our wonderful sponsors for making this episode possible: He also shares his unique perspective on building a meaningful career and life. In today’s episode, Jason discusses what it’s like to be a PM in web3, why his role at Amazon made such a big impact on his life and career, what makes a great leader, and how to hire well. ![]() ![]() In addition, he’s an advisor, investor, and two-time founder. Jason Shah has led product teams at Amazon, Airbnb, Microsoft, and Yammer and currently leads the product team at Alchemy (one of the most important web3 infrastructure companies).
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